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		<title>Watergate? Irangate? Child&#8217;s play. Meet NotchUp.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Elad</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they sue me, come to visit in jail. If they come for my family &#8211; know I&#8217;ll revenge.
But heck. This smells so bad, I had to share what I think.
For a stealth website, NotchUp are doing a hell of a job. I got something like five invitations in the last 12 hours. Some from [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they sue me, come to visit in jail. If they come for my family &#8211; know I&#8217;ll revenge.</p>
<p>But heck. This smells so bad, I had to share what I think.</p>
<p>For a <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/22/stealth-job-site-notchup-makes-companies-pay-to-interview-you/">stealth</a> website, <a href="http://www.notchup.com/">NotchUp</a> are doing a hell of a job. I got something like five invitations in the last 12 hours. Some from people I hardly know, and some from people having little to do with the web. The site is going viral like crazy. And for a reason. People are greedy.</p>
<p>The idea is simple. You&#8217;re a qualified professional, right? You&#8217;re not really looking for a job, but are willing to hear interesting offers? You&#8217;re not really being interviewed, it&#8217;s YOU interviewing prospect employers? So why not get paid for it? If you&#8217;re such a hot shot (which of course you are), make them pay just for meeting you! I&#8217;m so good actually, They&#8217;ll actually LEARN from interviewing me. It&#8217;s like consulting.</p>
<p>So here comes NotchUp. A job site (novel idea, no doubt), where you set a rate for just being interviewed. The default payment stands on $500 but why not make it $1,000? Now that&#8217;s new. How come I never thought of that? Why did I agree to be interviewed for free all my life? Darn. Not anymore! I&#8217;m going to charge from now on!</p>
<p><img src="http://dosometalking.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/notchup_home.png" alt="notchup_home.png" /></p>
<p>Oh. Small problem. It will never work. No employer with little brains to spear (and little experience) will pay. Trust me. I&#8217;m a recruiter. That&#8217;s (part of) what we do for a living (but don&#8217;t just <a href="http://www.centernetworks.com/notchup-pays-you-to-interview">trust my word on that</a>).</p>
<p>Little math: For every open position we have, we&#8217;re getting potential candidates in the hundreds (qualifying for the job requirements). Sometimes thousands. We filter and interview tens. Double that by aprox. $500 per interview and you get tens of thousands of dollars paid just for recruiting. Add the first months drop-rate (not fitting after all, or found a better job), and you end up with astronomical recruiting expenses.</p>
<p>So where&#8217;s the catch? I&#8217;m guessing NotchIn are not at all a job site. They&#8217;re aiming to compete against <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/">LinkedIn</a>. And they found a way of migrating all of LinkedIn&#8217;s database. Using the  greedy mob itself.</p>
<p>In the NotchUp signup process you&#8217;re offered, for the sake of comfort of course (who has the patience to retype one&#8217;s CV?), to enter your LinkedIn user name and password and Voila! All your data is &#8220;comfortably&#8221; imported to NotchUp, ready to be searched by the stupid, yet rich, employers.</p>
<p><img src="http://dosometalking.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/notchup_linkediin.png" alt="notchup_linkediin.png" /></p>
<p style="text-align: center">
<p>Oh, and of course, if you invite friends (using our comfortable &#8220;send to all your LinkedIn contacts&#8221; feature) you&#8217;ll be getting 10% of every interview they will be paid for (Oops. Now we also have all your friend&#8217;s emails. Oh sorry. We had it at hello. When you gave us your LinkedIn user name and password. Did anyone hear <a href="http://www.centernetworks.com/how-much-to-sell-out-social-networking">&#8220;selling your friends&#8221;</a>?).</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Ladies and Gentlemen.  The king is naked. It&#8217;s a hoax. There&#8217;s no way any employer will use this service. They are ripping your LinkedIn information.</p>
<p>Nice UI though.</p>
<p>P.S.</p>
<p>I might be missing something here. Please tell me if you think I have. I&#8217;ll be more than happy to discuss.</p>



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		<title>&#8220;Oh no! It&#8217;s the BOTS! We&#8217;re doomed!&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Elad</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like any other invasion, this too is done quietly.
Very quietly.
Many didn&#8217;t even hear of bots. No one ever met one.
But don&#8217;t be fooled. They are here. And they&#8217;re going to take over the world.
A bot, to put things into order, is a small &#8220;robot&#8221; software, designed to interact in a human like manner. One of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like any other invasion, this too is done quietly.</p>
<p>Very quietly.</p>
<p>Many didn&#8217;t even hear of bots. No one ever met one.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t be fooled. They are here. And they&#8217;re going to take over the world.</p>
<p>A bot, to put things into order, is a small &#8220;robot&#8221; software, designed to interact in a human like manner. One of the more common uses of bots is in IRC and IM (Chat rooms and Instant Massage software). It&#8217;s supposed to give us some service, on a conversation-like interface.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been among us for many years. We heard them reporting the weather, giving zip codes, sport scores, converting currency and unites or just &#8220;talking&#8221; to us to pass the time. No one really paid attention. We knew they&#8217;re out there and didn&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>But now, there are signs an invasion is imminent.</p>
<p>On December 3rd, a Microsoft-made Christmas-bot got out of control and started <a href="harassmenthttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/03/santa_filth_outrage/">sexually harassing the young and inocent</a>. Kids asking questions about pizza, where pulled into conversation about oral sex. This was only the beginning.</p>
<p><a title="dirtysanta2.png" href="http://dosometalking.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/dirtysanta2.png"><img src="http://dosometalking.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/dirtysanta2.png" alt="dirtysanta2.png" /></a></p>
<p>Four days later, on December 7th, another bot surfaced. This time &#8211; on the other side of the globe. again &#8211; suffering from some <a href="http://www.news.com/8301-13860_3-9831133-56.html?part=rss&amp;tag=feed&amp;subj=BeyondBinary">sexual issues</a>, but this time, it was also harmful. Russian chat room visitors found themselves involved in romantic conversations with <a href="http://cyberlover.ru/">CyberLover</a>, ending up trying to pick pocket their identitys. Body invasion in a cyber era?</p>
<p>A week and a half later, again on the other side of the world, Google <a href="http://googletalk.blogspot.com/2007/12/merry-christmas-god-jul-and.html">announced</a> a translation bot. Simple as it may sound &#8211; you write the bot something in your language and it replays the translation &#8211; this, as Google states, is only the beginning:</p>
<blockquote><p>For those of you into programming, why not build your own bot? Maybe a weather service or a rock/paper/scissors game. The Google Talk service uses an open protocol called XMPP, and it&#8217;s easy to find <a id="zy18" title="client libraries" href="http://www.google.com/search?q=xmpp+library">client libraries</a> and code samples that will give you a flying start&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Bots now have a way of breeding.</p>
<p>I will not be the least surprised to see companies building bot-warehouses, where users can build they&#8217;re own bots, like <a href="http://microsoftgadgets.com/">Widget</a> <a href="http://www.google.com/webmasters/gadgets/">creation</a> <a href="http://www.widgetbox.com/">platforms</a>, for appliances like shopping assistance, fashion recommendations, vertical news updates, directions assistance and so on.  Give me an API (Google maps, Google news, Twitter and a zillion others), a bot platform and I&#8217;ll give you talking companions for everything.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll be able to recognize me with ease now. I&#8217;m the one wearing the <a href="http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/">tin-foil hat</a>.</p>
<p>Invasion log, supplemental: January 6th. &#8220;They&#8221; now know where we are and tell us <a href="http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/01/06/ask-com-launches-mobile-voice-assisted-driving-directions/">where to go</a>.</p>



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		<title>2008 &#8211; the year of the web application</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Elad</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why, if computers are fast, cheap and easy to carry (laptops that is), would anyone even consider switching to web applications?
I mean, think of it:

They lack features compared to the client-based ones.
You usually have to be online to use them.
They have inferior user interface.
They&#8217;re saved somewhere, by someone, who can actually see everything you write.
They&#8217;re [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, if computers are fast, cheap and easy to carry (laptops that is), would anyone even consider switching to web applications?</p>
<p>I mean, think of it:</p>
<ol>
<li>They lack features compared to the client-based ones.</li>
<li>You usually have to be online to use them.</li>
<li>They have inferior user interface.</li>
<li>They&#8217;re saved somewhere, by someone, who can actually see everything you write.</li>
<li>They&#8217;re used by few.</li>
<li>You don&#8217;t really need to access your files from everywhere. It&#8217;s not like the average Joe is working from Cybercafes all over the world because he was sick the day they issued the laptops at the office.</li>
<li>We&#8217;ve been there before. Talks of thin clients running remote apps have been around forever (at least since the 80s&#8217;. Like I said &#8211; forever).</li>
</ol>
<p>So what has changed? Why is it going to work now? This is why:</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>Psychology.</strong> People are more used to virtualization. It&#8217;s &#8220;OK&#8221; if the file is stored &#8220;somewhere&#8221; and not in the &#8220;touchable&#8221; hard drive under the desk. People who are used to using Flickr and Picasa will start switching to Google Docs, Zoho and <a href="http://www.lifehack.org/articles/technology/write-here-write-now-write-anywhere-13-web-based-word-processors.html">the like</a>.</li>
<li><strong>Multi platform.</strong> True that everyone has a laptop, but people sometimes have more than one. And a desktop at the office. And another (Mac maybe?) at home. Oh, and the iPhone, don&#8217;t forget the iPhone. Or the Blackberry. We want to reach our data from everywhere. Regardless of the platform.</li>
<li><strong>Reliability.</strong> What are you more afraid of: Your hard disk, with the pictures from your daughter&#8217;s first b-day dying on you one wintery day, or the servers of Flickr going blank all of a sudden?</li>
<li><strong>Offline and online mixing.</strong> With tools like <a href="http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/05/30/google-gears-takes-online-applications-offline/">Google Gears</a>, and Zoho working <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/zoho_writer_adds_offline_support.php">offline</a>, it&#8217;s no longer a matter of whether you have a connection or not. You can work all the time. And these are &#8220;bridging&#8221; solutions. Soon there won&#8217;t be a need for them. We&#8217;ll be connected all the time from every device (iMicrowave, here we come!).</li>
<li><strong>Simplicity.</strong> We only want to write a letter. Calculate something on a worksheet. We don&#8217;t need to merge automated lists and Goal Seek on an every day basis. And if we do, we can always revert to the &#8220;heavy artillery&#8221; on the desktop. And hey &#8211; we don&#8217;t need all these little icons we never use. Simple is the king. We&#8217;re overwhelmed by information as it is, thank you.</li>
<li><strong>Synchronization.</strong> Online and offline files <a href="http://lifehacker.com/software/featured-download/sync-openofficeorg-docs-with-google-docs-332055.php">will</a> be <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/15/docsyncer-bridges-your-desktop-with-google-docs/">one</a><a href="http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/12/20/sync-micorosoft-office-documents-with-google-docs-using-docsynce/"></a>.</li>
<li><strong>UI and Functionality are becoming very close. </strong>With AJAX and <a href="http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/12/07/keyboard-shortcut-guide-bookmark-worthy/">keyboard shortcuts</a> for web aps, they start to look and resemble in ease of use the desktop ones. Even for power users.</li>
<li><strong>Everyon&#8217;s having them.</strong> From <a href="http://officelive.microsoft.com/">Microsoft</a>, to <a href="http://www.news.com/2100-7345_3-6163015.html">Adobe</a>, to <a href="http://docs.google.com/?pli=1">Google </a>(Da!), to <a href="http://www.lifehack.org/articles/technology/write-here-write-now-write-anywhere-13-web-based-word-processors.html">smaller competitors</a>.</li>
</ol>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the end of the client-based software. Not so soon (they will merge eventually) but 2008 will be the year when it goes mainstream.</p>
<p>Update: It appears the subject is hot.  <a href="http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/web_services_browser/rip_the_web_20_office_suite.html">Joe Wilcox</a> covering Microsoft thinks web based office is dead:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;the channel strategies aren’t working. Awareness is poor and very few consumers use the services. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer can sleep easy tonight.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Mashable, were <a href="http://mashable.com/2007/12/18/web-apps-poll/">I heard of this quote</a>, is running a little survey of it&#8217;s own. Mashable is not read by a very &#8220;homogenized&#8221; crowd,  but I believe it&#8217;s worth listening to them geeks.</p>
<p>Update 2: <a href="http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/12/17/study-73-of-americans-have-never-heard-of-google-docs/">Here&#8217;s</a> the original survey that started all the commotion.</p>
<p><a title="npd-weboffice-study.jpg" href="http://dosometalking.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/npd-weboffice-study.jpg"><img src="http://dosometalking.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/npd-weboffice-study.jpg" alt="npd-weboffice-study.jpg" /></a></p>
<p>Read: 73% of Americans never heard of Google Docs.</p>
<p>Still. The wind of change is here.</p>



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